सदस्यः:RAMKRISHNA RAVAL/प्रयोगपृष्ठम्/1

'प्रबन्धिका'पदनिमित्तम् आवेदनम्

अहं शुभा, आ चतुर्भ्यः वर्षेभ्यः विकिकार्ये निरता अस्मि । संस्कृतविकिस्रोतसः संवर्धनदृष्ट्या अहं प्रबन्धिकारूपेण कार्यं निर्वोढुम् इच्छामि ।

मम योगदानम् अधः द्रष्टुम् अर्हन्ति - शुभा

भवताम् अभिप्रायम् अधः सूचयन्तु इति प्रार्थये । --शुभा (सम्भाषणम्) ०७:३८, १४ जनवरी २०१६ (UTC)

चर्चा

@yogesh you need to understand what you are opposing and where should write under what tag. You should move your comments from oppose to discussion and paste it without oppose tag since you are not opposing the candidate. You are opposing Vipin kumar as a voter and you say that his vote should not be counted. He has already removed his name from the list and Puranastudy is a valid account. --Sayant Mahato (सम्भाषणम्) १०:१९, १८ जनवरी २०१६ (UTC)

@Sayant Mahato First of All I want to tell you my name is Yograj. I can see your oppose is very political. You want to prove front of bureaucrats that, if I and @Shubha have oppose, than @Udit also has oppose. That's it. For this reason this voting is going to different side. But I know the root problem behind all this. Therefore I am again clarify that I didn't oppose any person. My point was please don't count Vipin Kumar's vote. Because I had seen in history he had made two supports. 1 Vipin kumar 2. puranstudy. for you and Shubha. If you doing this for bureaucrats, please stop this. I didn't support you but I want you three be admins. Please understand. By the way I had learnt this kind of discussion system from you only. Please see it and end up this opposing game. Please don't tell me that there was not a "चर्चा" section, so I didn't do and etc..... Yograj (सम्भाषणम्) १७:२९, १८ जनवरी २०१६ (UTC)

Hey! @Yograj you are attacking me personally. I think you should rebuttal me with logic rather making weird allegation. I don't have any problem to accept if I'm wrong. And didn't oppose Udit personally. It maybe seen as political or conspiracy in your eyes but in fact there is none. --Sayant Mahato (सम्भाषणम्) ०४:४३, १९ जनवरी २०१६ (UTC)

1. This Vipin Kumar is not a user of any wiki project. I think that is fake support. Please don't count it. Yograj (सम्भाषणम्) ०९:५०, १६ जनवरी २०१६ (UTC)

https://sa.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%AE%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AD%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B7%E0%A4%A3%E0%A4%AE%E0%A5%8D%3A%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%B6%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%A8%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%A7%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%80&type=revision&diff=44900&oldid=44896

1. @Sayant Mahato I have studied Shubha’s contribution. She had changed so many articles with help of HotCat. If I am not using or don’t know HotCat and tell someone that Shubha’s contributions cannot be considered as formal editing. Than someone who uses HotCat very obviously, he will laugh on my logic and intelligence. If AWB edits are not formal editing, than WHY Wikimedia counting that as edits. ? Ex.
2. https://sa.wikisource.org/wiki/सुभाषितानि_संस्कृते
3. https://sa.wikisource.org/wiki/सुभाषितावलिः
4. https://sa.wikisource.org/wiki/हेमन्तव्रज्या_(सुभाषितरत्नकोशः)

Here she putted category with help of HotCat. There are two other ways to do this work. First is go to edit mode and write [[वर्गः:सुभाषितानि]]. Second is make a list of those pages which should in same category. Run AWB and finish work. Now which is very intelligent? But you only want to bite new comers. You took my comment at different side. My point was 'Udit will use his admin rights and will do creative work. Because he is a person who believe in use of right in proper time.' You took meaning which you wanted from my sentences. And when from your sentences @Yograj took some proper meaning, you are telling that he gets "Personally"? Wow! When you are taking different meaning, than it is "FACT" and for others it is "Personal Attack"? Yograj had told you that he took dissection pattern from you. Why you didn’t respond him for that? Now I understood that you both (Sayant & Shubha) are doing . So I am opposing you both to stop this new comers attack. प्रतिमा (सम्भाषणम्) ०२:३६, २० जनवरी २०१६ (UTC)

1. I am a new comer and done some mistake. But I follow @Sayant Mahato to discussion and he himself putting me wrong. I told him "Good Editor (Person)", because I didn’t want to oppose anyone. Now scenario is different. He is attacking new editors to get right. It seems, Sayant let not be admin others. Sayant and Shubha had much supports to be an admin. But they tried to stop Udit to be an admin. This is very clear seen. Sayant is directly involve in this and Shubha is indirectly. Both are stopping others without any reason or one reason "Only we are do something, others can’t do anything." So I oppose both them to stop Yograj (सम्भाषणम्) ०५:०२, २० जनवरी २०१६ (UTC)
2. When @Yograj oppose by mistake, @Titodutta asked him reason. After his clarification @sayant should have told yograj to remove that oppose sing and please put into decision section. I have seen Yograj’s clarification and understood the root reason of oppose. We should show the strength of new comers, if someone uses his experience against new comers. I am also opposing both for this. I am adding more that, @Udit Sharma is more capable, than @Shubha. If Udit is not eligible to be an admin, than according to capability of work speed @Shubha is not too. Sshihora (सम्भाषणम्) ०५:१४, २० जनवरी २०१६ (UTC)

Surely I'll not talk nonsense with anyone. But let me put points or whatever it is in a right prospective. The points which have raised are-

Your reason of opposing are-

1. Opposing the newcomers.
2. Opposing candidature-ship.
3. AWB or HotCat issue.

1. This is childish to say we are restricting newcomers to be an admin. they are well in the rights with being an editor. we are here to propagate not to defame our wikiprojects. But certainly we can't let anybody who is unqualified to be an admin. One has to understand that it's different from wikipedia. Sshihora claim that Udit would a better admin than shubha. I advice him to practice jyotisha somewhere else but the reality is that the person (Udit) doesn't carry any credibility to be an admin. If you think 'yes' then give point by point answers which were raised opposing Udit's candidature.

2 why you are opposing her and mine candidature. This totally out of the issue and doing opposing just for the sake of oppose. Do you have any reference that we have attacked anybody or restricted them from editing.

3.I have never said that editing by using AWB or any script is/will not count as his contribution. But it's not worthy when you have contribute only for Three Days. Then come and say I Wanna be An Admin. "why are you opposing?" Being a good editor pratima shows a smarter way of editing by using AWB. Where as there are many by using py script. Agreed. That doesn't destabilized shubha Ji's candidature because she has created so many new pages.--Sayant Mahato (सम्भाषणम्) ०६:३७, २० जनवरी २०१६ (UTC)

समर्थनम्

1. समर्थनम्--Sayant Mahato (सम्भाषणम्) ०६:१४, १६ जनवरी २०१६ (UTC)
2. समर्थनम्--Vaishnavi (सम्भाषणम्) ०६:५७, १६ जनवरी २०१६ (UTC)
3. समर्थनम्--Puranastudy (सम्भाषणम्) १६ जनवरी २०१६ (UTC)
4. समर्थनम्----Narayanan V T (सम्भाषणम्) १०:२१, १६ जनवरी २०१६ (UTC)
5. समर्थनम्--Mahalakshmi Prasanna (सम्भाषणम्) ०६:५५, १८ जनवरी २०१६ (UTC)

प्राबन्धकावेदनम्

सायन्त माहातो नामधेयोऽहं विकिप्रकल्पेषु कार्यनिरतोऽस्मि । विकिस्रोतसि प्रबन्धकत्त्वम् प्राप्त्यर्थम् अहमिदम् आवेदनं कुर्वन्नस्मि ।

• मम योगदानम्-

https://sa.wikisource.org/wiki/विशेषः:योगदानम्/Sayant_Mahato

स्वाभिप्रायान् भवन्तः सूचयन्तु --Sayant Mahato (सम्भाषणम्) ०७:५५, १४ जनवरी २०१६ (UTC)

चर्चा

1. This Vipin Kumar is not a user of any wiki project. I think that is fake support. Please don't count it. Yograj (सम्भाषणम्) ०९:५०, १६ जनवरी २०१६ (UTC) https://sa.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%AE%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AD%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B7%E0%A4%A3%E0%A4%AE%E0%A5%8D%3A%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%B6%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%A8%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%A7%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%80&type=revision&diff=44900&oldid=44896

   सदस्यः:Yograj, I failed to understand what you meant here. Are you talking against the candidate (i.e. Sayant Mahato) or any voter? If you are talking against any voter, that is not a reason to oppose this nomination unless you clarify more. About the vote - should it be counted or not -- the closing admin will surely take it into consideration. Thanks. --Tito Dutta ✉ १३:०५, १६ जनवरी २०१६ (UTC)

I am not apposing any one Sayant is good editor. In URL you can see puranstudy make a wrong vote. I requested that Please don't count that vote. Now that vote is not there but you can see that mistake in url. Yograj (सम्भाषणम्) १३:३८, १६ जनवरी २०१६ (UTC)

You should move your comments from oppose to discussion and paste it without oppose tag since you are not opposing me as a candidate as per your comment. You are opposing Vipin kumar as a voter and you say that his vote should not be counted. He has already removed his name from the list and Puranastudy is a valid account. --Sayant Mahato (सम्भाषणम्) १०:२३, १८ जनवरी २०१६ (UTC)

समर्थनम्

1. समर्थनम्--शुभा (सम्भाषणम्) ०५:५९, १६ जनवरी २०१६ (UTC)
2. समर्थनम्--Puranastudy (सम्भाषणम्) १६ जनवरी २०१६ (UTC)
3. समर्थनम्--Narayanan V T (सम्भाषणम्) १०:२५, १६ जनवरी २०१६ (UTC)
4. समर्थनम्--Mahalakshmi Prasanna (सम्भाषणम्) ०६:५६, १८ जनवरी २०१६ (UTC)

प्रबन्धकाधिकाराय आवेदनम्

मम नाम उदितः शर्मा । अहं वर्षद्वयेभ्यः संस्कृतविकिपीडियाजाले सक्रियः सदस्यः अस्मि । विकिस्रोतसि प्रबन्धककार्यं कर्तुं मे सज्जता । अतः अत्र प्रबन्धकाधिकाराय निवेदयामि ।

• मम योगदानम् Udit Sharma (सम्भाषणम्) ०६:५४, १६ जनवरी २०१६ (UTC)

स्वविचारान् उपस्थापयन्तु ।

चर्चा

I strongly oppose Udit Sharma's candidature for adminship.

Eligibility:
He has never added a text on wikisource or at the least not even created an index page. The sub pages which has been created by him are just text splitting of Laghu siddhanta kaumudi.
Experience:
He has worked only for three days 12th 13th and 16th of January 2016. 2 days by using AWB which cannot be considered as formal editing. Though his first edit was year before on 30th January 2015, he has not made any significant contribution to wikisource till date.
Efficiency :
I don't think Udit has ever shown efficiency or knowledge on wikisource. He cannot propose for adminship based on his contributions on wikipedia. Wikipedia project is completely different from wikisource. He may be good at helping others on translation work but this is totally irrelevant in wikisource. Pratima accuse others saying that many people apply for adminship for the sake of rights but in reality they won't work and says Udit being an admin would do a lot of work. But without doing any work on wikisource how can one be assumed as a reformer of wikisource ? Therefore I suggest Udit Sharma to do a considerable constructive work on Wikisource before applying for adminship.--Sayant Mahato (सम्भाषणम्) १२:२८, १८ जनवरी २०१६ (UTC)

- I am deeply anguished to note that the discussions have turned into personal remarks ; at the same time it is amusing also.

I am feeling sorry to see, that such remarks as “ Don’t Bite Newcomers” , have crept into the discussions.

It is my considered opinion that we must maintain certain decorum when making remarks especially in situations where we are dissenting. I request the author to avoid such phrases which are totally against the spirit of Wikipedia Movement.

The issue on hand is very simple.

Mr. Udit Sharma wants to be an “ Admin”. Mr. Mahato has not conveyed his acceptance for this proposal for these reasons:

For getting elected as an Admin in Wikisource, Mr. Sharma does not possess the required credentials, like adding texts, creating index pages, etc. . He has also observed that from Mr. Sharma, excepting for three edits in January 2016, there are no significant contributions. It is said that Mr. Sharma has worked mainly in Wikipedia and not in Wikisource. On the strength of this slender experience Mr. Sharma wants to be an Admin. and Mr. Mahato is not convinced about Sharma’s suitability at this juncture. Prima Facie, , what Mr. Mahato has remarked appears to be pertinent only. If the remarks made by Mahato are not correct, Mr. Sharma could very well defend his stand with supporting facts . Till the observations of Mr. Mahato are proved wrong, they would stand only .

Will not be a better approach for Mr. Sharma to work in Wikisource also with equal Zeal for some more time and gain the required experience for being an Admin ?

To say that because Mr. Mahato has not consented for the candidature of Mr. Sharma, other members should oppose Mr. Mahato's candidature, is unfortunately a childlike argument and may be avoided.--Narayanan V T (सम्भाषणम्) ०७:५७, २० जनवरी २०१६ (UTC)

- From your narrative I understand that, you want become an administrator of `Wikisource’.

I feel it is obvious and fundamental that your eagerness should match your testimonials of necessary contributions to the wikisource that can be seen by the world. If that is fulfilled and satisfied, there is no need for `debates’ to install you as administrator.It is better to substantiate than put forth unsubstantiated logic to get promoted as an Administrator.You should be patient enough till all accept you as a merited candidate for Administrative position.

At this juncture I have no option but to oppose your claim to become administrator of Wikisource. But I greet you for future attempts with proven records.--N.R.Bahlika Rao (सम्भाषणम्) ०८:०७, २० जनवरी २०१६ (UTC)

Namste @Sayant Mahato ! I extremely sorry for my silence. But I was very busy in Wikisource, Wikipedia and IEG project work. Line by line I will try to explain my suitability as Mr. Narayanan said. Before that I am clarify that, Please tell me if I have done some unwanted works in wikisource and after my explanation if someone not satisfy, that tell me with reason. Others are done this, so we are opposing you it is not fare.

1. Eligibility & Experience –

From last one year I was looking sa.wikisource. I had seen so much unwanted changes in this project. Like –

• https://sa.wikisource.org/wiki/रामायणम्/युद्धकाण्डम् here so many mistakes are there.
• Most of Pages are not in category.
• Many pages have wrong title. Etc….

I had some text to add in sa.wikisource. But before that I tried to solve this kind of problems. I think I am the person who prepared himself to edit first and after preparation started my work very fast. I am not a new comer and I am a new comer both are true. Because I was studied sa.wikisource work long ago and I was preparing myself to edit sa.wikisource. So my first edit time and my work start time is different.

2. Efficiency –

Please understand that, all the text were in my laptop but before start I wanted to settle problems which I mention above. I am a person who doing every work constructively. I had text but I had been decided to do category and management related work first. After that I will put text into sa.wikisource. You opposed me for text, but before that I made my mind to do management related work only. Now you can see 95% purans pages having category and templates. After that I putted my text into sa.wikipedia. Now you can see efficiency in my contribution.

3 @Narayanan V T, @N.R.Bahlika you both are opposing me. But in your sentences I found so many paths. So I glad to answer you. I had decided many more things to do in sa.wikisource, but after your comment I decided to follow your instructions. I don’t want to prove Sayantji is wrong, but I want to prove my candidature is right.

• If you put a fresh apple with many stales apples, that one fresh apple will be count as stale too. In wikisource there were so much pages, but Hinduism all that categories were there. Most of page hadn’t category and some pages had wrong category. So I decided to solve that problem first and after that put text into it. I studied sa.wikisource long time and made list for categorization. I didn’t know that these two will propose adminship, but I was prepare for adminship. After Uttarayan festival I was willing to propose but when I came from holyday, I saw those propose and I proposed too. That’s it.
• Now please reexamine my work and tell me in one day who can do this much work without any planning or preparation? I worked hard to improve sa.wikisource. After this admin right I will have to do so many work for this project. I had experience so I took hard one decision. I had efficiency so collect text for this project. And eligibility decides here on edits. But for preparation I spent my so much time and thrown myself into this knowledge well. How can I show you?
• Mr. Dave Nehal told me once, हठबुद्धित्वम्, अहङ्कारिता च श्वेतेषु केशेषु (वृद्धावस्थायाम्) अपि न व्यपगच्छति । अहं येन केन प्रकारेण अन्यं तूच्छं सिद्धयामि, अहमेव सर्वं कर्तुं शक्नोमि इत्यादिभावानां युवावस्थायामेव उत प्रौढावस्थायामेव उन्मूलनं न कुर्मः चेत्, वृद्धावस्थायां कष्टं भवति, मरणोत्तरञ्च मुक्तिः तु असम्भवा । I am not an egoistic person. So this admin right is not my ego problem. ("For others it is ego problem" Please don’t took this meaning form this sentence.) I am doing this work for Sanskrit. With this note I respect all opposes. Now I am requesting you all please reexamine my contribution and tell me if I had not put proper text into sa.wikisource. I don’t mind if someone tells me to do something better. It will help me lifelong. Udit Sharma (सम्भाषणम्) २०:४६, २० जनवरी २०१६ (UTC)

समर्थनम्

1. समर्थनम् -- In sa.wikipedia Udit's work is very impressive. He had helped me for this issue for improve sa.wikisource. From last several days there are so much vandalism in sa.wikisource and sa.wikipedia. Udit had managed those people and put unwanted articles in delete category. In sa.wikipedia he is the most active person to manage such things. Now he is doing that kind of work here too. He is the most capable person to get this right. NehalDaveND (सम्भाषणम्) ०८:०९, १६ जनवरी २०१६ (UTC)
2. समर्थनम् -- उदितमहोदयः स्वाधिकारस्य उपयोगः कथं कर्तव्यः इति सम्यक् जानाति । संस्कृतविकिपीडिया-जाले सर्वे अधिकारान् स्थापयितुं तु इच्छान्ति, परन्तु कार्यं तु विरलाः एव कुर्वन्ति । परन्तु निरीक्षकः उदितमहोदयः तत्र स्वदायित्वं योग्यरीत्या अवहत् । अत्रापि एनम् अधिकारं प्राप्य सः तेषाम् अधिकारणां योग्यम् उपयोगं करिष्यति । प्रबन्धकः केवलम् अधिकारः नास्ति, अपि तु तदानुगुणं कार्यम् अपि करणीयं भवति । एतस्य विचारस्य कृते दृढसङ्कल्पी उदितमहोदयः एतस्मै अधिकाराय योग्यतमः । प्रतिमा (सम्भाषणम्) ०८:२२, १६ जनवरी २०१६ (UTC)
3. समर्थनम् -- Udit Sharma is the most active person is sa.wikipedia, sa.wikisource, WikiMedia, Commence and wikidata. ALL ROUNDER Udit doing good job himself and inspires others too. Yograj (सम्भाषणम्) ०९:५६, १६ जनवरी २०१६ (UTC)
4. समर्थनम् -- Puranastudy (सम्भाषणम्) १६ जनवरी २०१६
5. समर्थनम् -- Some times politically we can't prove our hard work, but we must be strong to prove our moral hard work via political stage. The Steve jobs had done lots of hard work for apple. But he couldn't prove that and he had been thrown out from company by other members. After some time he proved his hard work politically too. But that time also his moral hard work bigger than politically proves. I suggest you @Udit Sharma don't loos hope. Your work is intelligent and proper. I am fully agree with @yogrraj. So I don't want to oppose @Sayant Mahato and @Shubha. Because if Sayant is doing this for bureaucrats, than he will understand and be fare for Udit after Yougraj's clarification. Sshihora (सम्भाषणम्) ०३:३९, १९ जनवरी २०१६ (UTC)