Dear all, I am स्वरूप्, usually known as MikeLynch on Wikimedia projects. I am a bureaucrat (administrator) on the Sanskrit Wikipedia, and have a lot of experience in editing the English, Sanskrit and Kannada Wikipedia. I request administrator privileges on this Wiki in order to improve the interface and perform routine maintenance tasks. Kindly indicate your opinion and/or any questions below. Regards, MikeLynch ०९:३७, ११ सप्तम्बर् २०११ (UTC)
Dear all, I am अभिराम, working keenly on the wikisource for quite sometime now. I have experience in uploading and editing of sanskrit wikisource, and my major contribution was in uploading the whole of Mahabharatam onto the sa-wikisource. I request administrator rights for sa-wikisource in order to make it better with constant vigilance along with other uploadings. I request you to kindly suggest your opinion along with any queries. Regards अभिरामः १५:२५, २७ सप्तम्बर् २०११ (UTC)
Dear all,
I would like to bring in some changes on the main page of sa-wikisource along with the addition of Indices, similar to that in en-wikisource. I need suggestions from the community on this. अभिरामः १२:३६, १० नवम्बर् २०११ (UTC)
I am glad you want to do this. I happy to help. The first step is to decide what names will be used for the namespaces:
Index:
Index talk:
Page:
Page talk:
Then a bugzilla request is added to have those four namespaces created.
Then the extension needs to be translated. See translatewiki. You need to create an account there and translate the messages on translatewiki.net.
Thank you so much for helping me out for this.. I would like to work with you in co-ordination in order to bring changes in sa-wikisource.. I'll help translate those messages over translatewiki, while you can help request for a bugzilla on this matter... अभिरामः ०६:०७, २६ नवम्बर् २०११ (UTC)
Dear community members,
Considering the recent improvements taking place on Sanskrit Wikisource, I would like to include Indexing of sa-wikisource and need suggestions on the translations made by me for the Interface messages... The major of these are the 4 namespaces that need your approval..
Go ahead and update them on translatewiki.net, if u nee help, feel free to ask me on my talk page. :) Vibhijain १०:२९, २९ नवम्बर् २०११ (UTC)
उत्तम एव एष उद्योगः। परमत्र अन्तिमयोः द्वयोः शब्दयोः संस्कृतपदे पृष्ठम्, पृष्ठसंवादः इति भवेतामिति मे मतिः। यस्मात् संस्कृतविकिपीडियायां एतदेवास्ति। पुटम् इत्यपि साधुः, पुटम् पृष्ठम् च उभावपि शब्दौ surface इत्यर्थे युज्येते, परन्तु विकिमीडियाप्रकल्पेषु एकरूपताऽर्थम् एवं चिन्तयामि। -Hemant wikikosh १४:१६, २९ नवम्बर् २०११ (UTC)
Instead of संवादः,let us use संभाषणम् ,because the first one gives meaning of debate more than a talk. Anyway, both संवादः and संभाषणम् are OK. If we are deciding to use संवादः,then we must change in Wikipedia also for the reason mentioned above by Sri. Hemant. --Naveen Sankar १५:१८, २९ नवम्बर् २०११ (UTC)
Definitely, you have my support for this :) 117.192.218.214 १६:२५, २९ नवम्बर् २०११ (UTC)
Thank you members, for your enthusiastic participation in this community portal.. It is for the first time that our Samskrit Wikisource is involved in such a healthy discussion, appreciate it.. Now coming back to the topic, as per my knowledge about languages, I am for the words used in translations.. The word पृष्ठम् is basically used as "Back". Usually, anybody who looks at the word पृष्ठम् relates it as the opposite to पुरतः {(पुरतः - पृष्ठतः) --- (Front - Back)}; whereas the word पुटम् gives the intention of the page or maybe cover of the page (but mostly related to a page) and hence the usage of the word पुटम्... As Naveen said, संवादः doesnot mean debate but its meant to be as conversation, discussion, interaction, dialogue or even generally as communication... While we needed a word for talk (which according to en-wiktionary is meant as conversation or discussion), we thought of संवादः, which otherwise could well be सम्भाषणम् which gets the meaning of speak - (which in this context doesnot suit the matter). As Hemanth sir told, if there is any change to be made in wikimedia for the sake of universality, and change from what it was earlier for पुटम् and संवादः, then be it.. Along the same lines I also wish to propose a new name for the Main Page, which can be changed from the present - मुख्यपृष्ठम् to प्रमुखपुटम् ( I dont think any further explanations on words are required). अभिरामः १८:५२, २९ नवम्बर् २०११ (UTC)
There is nothing like crime in using पुटम् and प्रमुखपुटम् as long as members of wikisource feel it OK. Though for Sanskrit wikpedia I would refrain from change as I already said both are used in the sense desired, and Sanskrit Wikipedia is used to that word now :) . Best wishes from my side! अभिराम जी don't use 'sir' with my name, we are all equals :) -Hemant wikikosh १२:५२, ३० नवम्बर् २०११ (UTC)
Dear Hemanth, lets discuss about what Sanskrit Wikipedia interface needs @sa-wikipedia.. We will look into what sa-wikisource needs at present.. Another thing which I observed here was योजकस्य पृष्ठम् which has a very different meaning all together... So to avoid all these द्वन्द्वार्थ, its better to use पुटम् rather than पृष्ठम्.. Also, we can discuss about the Main Page translations in another disccussion (Lets limit this to just Index translations)... अभिरामः १२:१५, १ दशम्बर् २०११ (UTC)
I have time and again pointed out that I welcome any suggestion for interface messages translation on Sanskrit Wikipedia. Reg पृष्ठम् vs पुटम् if you refer to Apte's dictionary for the two words you can see that both have been used in the sense of a paper's/book's surface. Many words do have dual meanings. Even पुटम् has many meanings. Please see here: http://www.archive.org/stream/practicalsanskri00apteuoft#page/622/mode/2up. One meaning of पुटम् is: a hollow space, cavity. Even here "योजकस्य पुटम्" may be called absurd. And for पृष्ठम् please see: http://www.archive.org/stream/practicalsanskri00apteuoft#page/632/mode/2up (see sixth sense for prishtham, which is exactly 'page of a book'). That said, I won't like to use foregoing facts as proofs to avoid पुटम् (as you saw I didn't say anything against meaning of पुटम् in previous comments). Synonyms do exist in a language, and uniformity is also good thing. Let's take time, if पुटम् proved to be 'influencial', I will change there also. Regards. -Hemant wikikosh १८:१३, १ दशम्बर् २०११ (UTC)
Dear Hemanth, you are welcome to change as पुटम् wherever required, along with change from सम्भाषणम् to संवादः । अभिरामः १०:०९, २ दशम्बर् २०११ (UTC)
I would like to close this discussion after the long conversation and support from community members, while the translations for the namespaces in the interface will be as follows:
The namespaces for Index and Page appear to be correct. However the talk namespaces are "पुटसंवाद" and "अनुक्रमणिकासंवाद". Are they incorrect? John Vandenberg ००:१७, ६ दशम्बर् २०११ (UTC)
Dear John, the words are अनुक्रमणिकासंवादः and पुटसंवादः 117.192.216.203 ०४:२३, ६ दशम्बर् २०११ (UTC)
Dear community members, I'm अभिरामः, Due to your kind support earlier, I was granted temporary admin rights here for the improvement and I hope that sa-wikisource has grown considerably with your help. I would like to help improve this a lot more alongwith the proofreading of all source texts, which requires a local admin to coordinate with other community members who are well aware of this Indexing part(viz.,योजकः:John Vandenberg). Hence, I would need all your help in the extension of my admin rights (which lasts till 5th Jan 2012) and also support my cause. अभिरामः ०८:३२, २७ दशम्बर् २०११ (UTC)
समर्थनम्-- Keep up the good work. Hey, since people will be visiting this page anyway, why not create a discussion for the logo? Beats you having to message everyone to reply on WS again! MikeLynch ११:१६, २७ दशम्बर् २०११ (UTC)
समर्थनम्-- Viswaprabha ११:३०, २७ दशम्बर् २०११ (UTC)
Samskrit Wikisource logo Size of the logo which will be displayed
Dear editors, I've tried my level best in changing the logo of sa-wikisource from English to Sanskrit... I want your views on the logo so that it can be changed from the earlier version.. There will be a separate discussion, support and oppose section. Please feel free to discuss about the logo. अभिरामः १३:१२, २७ दशम्बर् २०११ (UTC)
It is gladdening to see the logos re-incarnating with Samskritam instead of English words within. However, imho., the whole word can appear together without any undue dominance for the first aksharam. vi kisrotah can be changed to vikisrotah. Especially because, vi- is an important pratyayam that convolutes and transforms the meaning of a word. Viswaprabha १४:१६, २७ दशम्बर् २०११ (UTC)
Agree with Viswa. It'd be better if it was of the same size (for aesthetics as well). MikeLynch १२:५९, २८ दशम्बर् २०११ (UTC)
Of course, if you have an explanation, we'd be glad to hear it :)
Also, I noticed that the blue color isn't really that clear; its appearing in stripes for me, and its also got a different color (violet-ish) as well. I don't know if everyone else sees the same thing as well. It could possibly be a JPEG rendering problem (it happens frequently). Great work on the logos, its something we really need badly, and I'm glad you took the initiative here :) MikeLynch १३:०९, २८ दशम्बर् २०११ (UTC)
I agree with Mike, it was the first baby step towards the logo creation. Its not that good. However I'm trying to learn svg image editing. If I can do something in svg itself, that will be a great plus here and also @sa-wp. The svg image editing may take more time. Maybe we both can discuss about it and do. अभिरामः ०५:१०, ३१ दशम्बर् २०११ (UTC)
Needs lot of modification. The font that used presently is not OK. A traditional Devanagari touch is what I prefer. I think, there are some problems with the image editor used by Abhirama. It destroys the quality of logos - creates patches, reduces resolution/saturation. As others pointed out, the undue dominance of first akshara is to be avoided. --Naveen Sankar १३:४५, ३० दशम्बर् २०११ (UTC)
The Wikisource logo-2 Dear members, the other logo that I had prepared for sa-ws has been uploaded and it is as shown.. This was also made simultaneously with the other log but was not uploaded. I have done all these in Lohith Devanagari Font. I agree to all your discussions that there are patches etc., Its my little contribution here. Lets discuss on the logo's parameters(like font, size etc) now and then we ask somebody in the commons to get us a logo done in svg format. Discussions are awaited. अभिरामः ०७:१०, ३१ दशम्बर् २०११ (UTC)
An other proposal
Here is an other proposal (as I am a « somebody from commons who knows SVG »). I’ve used SVG format (I’ll do the PNG rendering when all the details will be fixed), with the usual colours and I reduced the text size (to look like the others wikisources). I’ve used the KalimatiLohit font (the only one I know for the indian script… If there’s other and better font, tell me. For example, I didn’t found the Lohith font, can someone give an URL ?). @Naveen Sankar: Is it what you expected as “traditional Devanagari touch”.
I’ve put two differents text:
The first one with all the letters at the same size,
The second one is a try with the first letter (vi) bigger than the others (but on the same top line).
Dear Vigneron, I thank you for your help for the logo. I too would like to learn few things on svg editing but it may take some time. Meanwhile, it will be better to look at the logo in Lohit Devanagari.. And let the letters in the logo be of same size. If u need the font of Lohit Devanagari, I can provide one such font. U can mail your email ID through which I can send it to you. Try it in Lohit and post it here and then we'll discuss. Thank you once again for the logo in svg. अभिरामः ११:४४, १३ जनुवरि २०१२ (UTC)
The logo prepared by User: VIGNERON is fine and is also present in the appropriate svg format. The words alongwith their spelling and nature are perfect. Hence, I would like to close this discussion with the final supports for this picture(the pic with caption "An other proposal"). I need support for filing the bug for the logo. अभिरामः १०:१७, ११ फ़ेब्रुवरि २०१२ (UTC)
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समर्थनम्-- Keep up the good work. Hey, since people will be visiting this page anyway, why not create a discussion for the logo? Beats you having to message everyone to reply on WS again! MikeLynch ११:१६, २७ दशम्बर् २०११ (UTC)
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